I'm still sold on the Integra, how about everybody else?
Did Acura's Pricing Make or Break the All New 2023 Integra?
He said the thing I was thinking - why not make the detuned 2.0 turbo the standard Integra engine and pump it up for the Type-S?
I’m also cross-shopping a GTI/GLI, so it would have been nice to see those represented. I know who Acura wants to consider competition, but then there’s who the buyers are shopping against…
I’m also cross-shopping a GTI/GLI, so it would have been nice to see those represented. I know who Acura wants to consider competition, but then there’s who the buyers are shopping against…
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I still think the Integra 6MT seems like a good buy — the caveat being it sells without an ADM. (I feel the same way about the Civic Si, which seems like a bargain as long as a markup doesn’t have it encroaching on the Integra. Beyond 31-32k, it stops making sense, imho.)
A 2.0T would be very cool, of course, but that puts a dent in the mpg and it leaves less room for a bigger boost in power for the Type S, I would think. That’s my guess, anyway. (In regards to fuel economy, I’m coming from a GX470, so even 26-30 mpg sounds pretty damn good for a faster performance variant, but a 32-38 mpg for a fun daily sounds great.)
A 2.0T would be very cool, of course, but that puts a dent in the mpg and it leaves less room for a bigger boost in power for the Type S, I would think. That’s my guess, anyway. (In regards to fuel economy, I’m coming from a GX470, so even 26-30 mpg sounds pretty damn good for a faster performance variant, but a 32-38 mpg for a fun daily sounds great.)
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I may not be remembering perfectly, but I believe the earlier Civic SI and CRX SI circa 1989 had 108 HP. I'm thinking the first gen Integra had 118 HP. So even back then, they threw the Acura buyer a bone. They should at least tune the Integra's engine to make up for, perhaps even overcome it's extra weight over the current Civic SI. If the Integra has enough success, there will be a Type S and the 2.0T is the likely engine. But will it be paired with a 10 speed Automatic or will it have a 6MT? I doubt they'll offer both. The MSRP is fine, but what dealers do to that MSRP, will ruin it.
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They keep mentioning that the 1.5 has been "uniquely tuned" for the Teggy, but I'm not sure what that means. Very curious. I know they underreported the hp on the Civic Si based on Hondata results, so I'm very interested in what the verdict will be when folks get to drive and review the car. I'm not holding out much hope that it will be much different, but I'm intrigued by the implication.
There's a lot of reviewers who mention the Si power was underreported, and there must be a reason, right? Life is full of "results may vary" issues... but Honda being 10% off? That seems like a pretty big error that's going to cost Honda sales from "HP people", right?
I wondered if the 200hp was low for the Si intentionally so it's accurate for the Integra given extra weight... but there was a review that said the weight difference between the Si and Integra is approximately the weight of a passenger since the Integra is slightly smaller? Who knows.
The Integra is longer and wider and will also have extra sound deadening materials. So expect a couple hundred extra pounds on the Teggy. I think the "uniquely tuned" may just be referring to what they did with the exhaust pipe. But that's just my own personal speculation.
They actually announced official weights for each of the models, here's the full model guide: Acura Info Center
They might've added some extra sound-deadening materials, but the 6MT Integra is only 121lb heavier than this year's Si, and that's with the adaptive dampers and all the other additional features. It's only 75lb heavier than the Canadian Si, which has some of the additional features the Integra has which our Si lacks (digital dash, seat heaters, fog lamps) but a few extra things our Integra won't have (heated wheel, rear seat heaters). The CVT models are heavier, but that's transmission weight, they did a good job keeping the weight of this car down.
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Curious how much of the luxury feel in terms of sound will be ascribed to materials/sound deadening, and/or if the Adaptive Sound Control on Tech models will do some heavy lifting via noise cancellation. (In other words, very curious whether it'll be on par with Civic road noise with everything shut off.)
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