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This post is to address the pervasive idea that the new Integra being based on the Honda Civic platform is

A) NEW
B) a bad thing...

It is also to address those who feel the Integra is underpowered, and are disappointed with the 2022 Integra's 200hp and 192 lbs-ft torque.

First of all, the Integra was ALWAYS a luxury version of the civic, using the platform and many of the same parts, interior and exterior.

Now, take a look at power and torque numbers down the years:

1997 Integra RS, LS, GS: 140hp @ 6300rpm; 127 lbs-ft @5200 rpm
1997 Integra GS-R: 170 hp @7600 rpm, 128 lbs-ft @6200 rpm
1997 civic Si: 127 hp @ 6600 rpm; 107 lb⋅ft torque

2006 RSX: 155 hp @ 6500 rpm SAE Net, 139 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm SAE Net
2006 RSX TYPE S: 201hp @ 7800 rpm SAE Net, 140 lb.-ft. @ 7000 rpm SAE Net
2006 Civic Si: 197 hp @ 7,800 rpm, 139 lb-ft @ 6,100 rpm

2022 INTEGRA (MT): 200hp @ 6000; 192 @ 1800-5000
2021Civic Si: 200hp @ 6000; 192 @ 1800-5000

So in 1997, the base Integra had 13 MORE horsepower and 20 lbs-ft torque than the civic SI (53hp and 21lbs-ft torque MORE for the INTEGRA GS-R)

In 2006, the base RSX had 42 hp LESS than the civic Si and the same torque, but the RSX type S had 4 MORE hp and 1 more Lbs-ft torque than the Civic SI (so essentially the same).

In 2022, the base Integra has EXACTLY THE SAME hp and torque as the Civic Si; the Integra Si will undoubtedly have quite a bit more.

In fact, the Acura Integra base models and the Honda Civics (Si) have flip-flopped: Early Integra base models had MORE than the civic Si (both base and performance models), midstream RSX base models had less than the civic Si, and now - they have exactly the same!

Those who see this new iteration of the Integra as a disappointment need to take all this into consideration, as well as considering that in 2006, it was the type S was essentially the same as the Si, and not the base model - Now, in 2022, the base model Integra is IDENTICAL, in many ways, to the civic Si. The Type S will be something else...

I have a 2006 RSX type S, so looking into this was very informative. I am very tempted by the 2022 Integra MT, but have been wanting to hold out for the Type S (but... that'll be likely MUCH, MUCH more expensive...)

So for now, living in Canada and getting all the goodies on an Si that the Integra gets (except adaptive dampers), I can't really justify the 11,000 Can$ more (including the difference taxes) that the Integra will cost; it would essentially be $11k for (debatably) better styling and the status quotient of owning an Acura over a Honda.

It'll definitely be a 2022/23 Honda civic Si for me now (white with black emblems)... but I still can't wait to see what they offer up for the type S (in 1,2,3...or maybe even 4 years...?)

Thoughts?

John
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I was never a real Honda fanboi, but after getting irritated by the media, I discovered some of the same comparisons you have, looking at 30+ years of Integra<->Civic comparisons. I have a list of 6-8 reasons why, here in Murica, I think the Integra shines a bit brighter than an Si, and I use to justify my expense.
It's interesting your remarks because, today, the underpowered concept entered my mind again. But I told myself that it's not underpowered, I get to use the MT6 to manage the powerband. but 60mph in top gear is certainly modest acceleration.
Last summer I test drove two different Civics, both with CVT, and found them to have a lot going for them. Personally, I like the Acura as a more refined car, but not quite luxury.
Nice RSX!
 

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I was never a real Honda fanboi, but after getting irritated by the media, I discovered some of the same comparisons you have, looking at 30+ years of Integra<->Civic comparisons. I have a list of 6-8 reasons why, here in Murica, I think the Integra shines a bit brighter than an Si, and I use to justify my expense.
It's interesting your remarks because, today, the underpowered concept entered my mind again. But I told myself that it's not underpowered, I get to use the MT6 to manage the powerband. but 60mph in top gear is certainly modest acceleration.
Last summer I test drove two different Civics, both with CVT, and found them to have a lot going for them. Personally, I like the Acura as a more refined car, but not quite luxury.
Nice RSX!
Thanks! That pic is a few years old, but it's still in great shape. :)

And yes, 200HP (apparently about 222 on the Dyno) is not underpowered, especially for an under 3000lb vehicle that is the base version. The civic SI here in canada has: no adaptive dampers, BUT:

  • Fog lights
  • front and rear parking cameras
  • Dashboard rev lights
  • Heated seats (front and rear)
  • Heated steering wheel
  • Wireless charging/connectivity
  • full digital, customizable display

And a few extra goodies, as well, which puts it well within the ballpark of the Integra A-spec Tech MT. I really like the way both cars look (the SI as really grown on me - never liked ANY of the prior versions...), but the Integra wins out slightly in that department also, just, for me, not $11-12k worth!

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200HP (apparently about 222 on the Dyno) is not underpowered,
I came from the much heavier BMW 128i, a wonderfully dynamic car. But certainly not a speed demon either. 230 HP from the NA 6-cyl seemed significantly faster in the 2000-3500 rpm range, with less need for downshifting to accellerate.
But don't get me wrong, I love the car and would certainly make the change all over again.
Compared to a Si, I like the Acura's
Hatchback
Drive modes/adaptive suspension
Upscale feel/style
Terrific sound system
Heated seats
HUD (silly yes, but still...)
Wireless Android/charging

But at MSRP 8-10kilobucks more, I can see why some would pick the Honda.
 
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