[houndrunner]

Well folks, Hondata got their hands on the Integra, and while I expected that the horsepower numbers were underreported from the factory, I was not expecting this… 😳

 

[86amr]

I can’t watch the video yet but what were the results? I’m assuming very similar if not the same as the Si?

 

[houndrunner]

I can’t watch the video yet but what were the results? I’m assuming very similar if not the same as the Si?

Higher, surprisingly. 234hp, 230 lb-ft of torque. I was expecting less than the Si, so this is pretty cool!

 

[86amr]

Seriously? Hondata dyno’d the Si at 225hp and 210tq. That’s wild. So that must mean the Integra has a different tune from the factory?

 

[Integra23]

Hmm. Wonder if my Phearable tune is limiting my car. LOL

 

[86amr]

Wtf is even the point of a manufacturer listing power figures? Does anyone actually make a car that generates what the manufacturer actually advertises? Also why is the 0-60 and 1/4 mi so slow then?

 

[Leehro]

Seriously? Hondata dyno’d the Si at 225hp and 210tq. That’s wild. So that must mean the Integra has a different tune from the factory?

yeah it must be. The hondata tune adds quite a bit of torque pretty broadly. Peak hp isn’t much different, but is 15-25 higher for most of the RPM range.

 

[Integra23]

Wtf is even the point of a manufacturer listing power figures? Does anyone actually make a car that generates what the manufacturer actually advertises? Also why is the 0-60 and 1/4 mi so slow then?

You need to shift into 3rd to hit 60

 

[86amr]

You need to shift into 3rd to hit 60

Does the gearing impact 1/4 mile times in the same way.

Does anyone know what the CTR gearing is like? I would think with 100 extra HP you need taller gears for drivability.

 

[VTEC Goes Bwaah]

yeah it must be. The hondata tune adds quite a bit of torque pretty broadly. Peak hp isn’t much different, but is 15-25 higher for most of the RPM range.
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Yeah it's interesting to see the differences between the Integra and the Si.

2022 Honda Civic Si ECU Tune From Hondata Adds 37 HP

Hondata's FlashPro tune for the 2022 Civic Si adds a peak of 37 hp at 4,200 rpm and 50 lb.ft of torque at 2,800 rpm. More torque could arrive in the final version, Hondata said "We made more torque than displayed here (over 270) but dialed it back as the clutch was starting to slip. Clutches...

www.civic11forum.com

 

[86amr]

For anyone curious, I calculated out the shift points for the Integra and the CTR.

 

[86amr]

I also just calculated out the Jetta GLI which I used to have. That car shifts into 3rd at 77mph. Must be why I remember that car feeling faster in my head. The short gearing of the Integra is really throwing me for a loop.

 

[bruejam]

We need another AMA session with Jonathan. I can't wrap my brain around how underrating the HP makes any sense. From a marketing standpoint, one of the loudest gripes about this car was 200hp being "underpowered". 234hp sounds a lot better and sets it further apart from the Si.

 

[86amr]

We need another AMA session with Jonathan. I can't wrap my brain around how underrating the HP makes any sense. From a marketing standpoint, one of the loudest gripes about this car was 200hp being "underpowered". 234hp sounds a lot better and sets it further apart from the Si.

100%. I would love to get some sort of answer on this.

 

[Rainbrounicorn]

Does it have to do with variability between cars? Not for nothing, but different cars appear to rate differently on a dyno. 234 seems quite high though. FWIW my car feels quite peppy 😆

 

[King_Totoro]

Assuming the Integra stock tune is actually putting out more HP and Torque throughout the rev range then the SI then I would think the reason for the 200HP rating from Acura is probably a insurance thing (running cost) and to account for heat soak.

Rating a car at ~200 compared to ~230 probably makes a decent insurance premium savings. A civic is very expensive to insure for what it is due to the bad reputation of being a high risk vehicle (theft & claims). My brother has a 2019 civic sports touring and the full coverage is very high compared to other cars with much more HP and Torque (w/ no points and a few discounts).

I would really want to see someone put the same high performance summer from the SI on the Integra and then do all of the performance test and compare. For all we know anything from the adaptive shocks in sport mode might feel just as stiff as a stock SI and the 0-60 could be much more compelling for some people. Better yet compare them with the same wheels, tires, driver, track, and if possible brake components (pads and rotors).

 

[A-Spec]

For anyone curious, I calculated out the shift points for the Integra and the CTR.

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Nice work @86amr thanks a lot for sharing this!

 

[A-Spec]

Assuming the Integra stock tune is actually putting out more HP and Torque throughout the rev range then the SI then I would think the reason for the 200HP rating from Acura is probably a insurance thing (running cost) and to account for heat soak.

Rating a car at ~200 compared to ~230 probably makes a decent insurance premium savings. A civic is very expensive to insure for what it is due to the bad reputation of being a high risk vehicle (theft & claims). My brother has a 2019 civic sports touring and the full coverage is very high compared to other cars with much more HP and Torque (w/ no points and a few discounts).

I would really want to see someone put the same high performance summer from the SI on the Integra and then do all of the performance test and compare. For all we know anything from the adaptive shocks in sport mode might feel just as stiff as a stock SI and the 0-60 could be much more compelling for some people. Better yet compare them with the same wheels, tires, driver, track, and if possible brake components (pads and rotors).

Welcome to the forum @King_Totoro! It certainly wouldn't be the first time a car company has been modest with their performance numbers. I'd be interested to see those tests done as well, good tires can make such a difference.

 

[Slowcarfast]

We need another AMA session with Jonathan. I can't wrap my brain around how underrating the HP makes any sense. From a marketing standpoint, one of the loudest gripes about this car was 200hp being "underpowered". 234hp sounds a lot better and sets it further apart from the Si.

If they said it’s 234 yet it’s the same/slower than the Si, I don’t think that would go over well, either.

 

[Slowcarfast]

Does it have to do with variability between cars? Not for nothing, but different cars appear to rate differently on a dyno.

Seems likely, but also the Civic was run 6 months ago so the dyno may not have the exact same calibration. If they ran the Civic and Integra on the same day it would be a better comparison.