Well folks, Hondata got their hands on the Integra, and while I expected that the horsepower numbers were underreported from the factory, I was not expecting this… 😳
yeah it must be. The hondata tune adds quite a bit of torque pretty broadly. Peak hp isn’t much different, but is 15-25 higher for most of the RPM range.Seriously? Hondata dyno’d the Si at 225hp and 210tq. That’s wild. So that must mean the Integra has a different tune from the factory?
Yeah it's interesting to see the differences between the Integra and the Si.
100%. I would love to get some sort of answer on this.We need another AMA session with Jonathan. I can't wrap my brain around how underrating the HP makes any sense. From a marketing standpoint, one of the loudest gripes about this car was 200hp being "underpowered". 234hp sounds a lot better and sets it further apart from the Si.
Welcome to the forum @King_Totoro! It certainly wouldn't be the first time a car company has been modest with their performance numbers. I'd be interested to see those tests done as well, good tires can make such a difference.Assuming the Integra stock tune is actually putting out more HP and Torque throughout the rev range then the SI then I would think the reason for the 200HP rating from Acura is probably a insurance thing (running cost) and to account for heat soak.
Rating a car at ~200 compared to ~230 probably makes a decent insurance premium savings. A civic is very expensive to insure for what it is due to the bad reputation of being a high risk vehicle (theft & claims). My brother has a 2019 civic sports touring and the full coverage is very high compared to other cars with much more HP and Torque (w/ no points and a few discounts).
I would really want to see someone put the same high performance summer from the SI on the Integra and then do all of the performance test and compare. For all we know anything from the adaptive shocks in sport mode might feel just as stiff as a stock SI and the 0-60 could be much more compelling for some people. Better yet compare them with the same wheels, tires, driver, track, and if possible brake components (pads and rotors).
If they said it’s 234 yet it’s the same/slower than the Si, I don’t think that would go over well, either.We need another AMA session with Jonathan. I can't wrap my brain around how underrating the HP makes any sense. From a marketing standpoint, one of the loudest gripes about this car was 200hp being "underpowered". 234hp sounds a lot better and sets it further apart from the Si.
Seems likely, but also the Civic was run 6 months ago so the dyno may not have the exact same calibration. If they ran the Civic and Integra on the same day it would be a better comparison.Does it have to do with variability between cars? Not for nothing, but different cars appear to rate differently on a dyno.