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Hi fellow Integra owners,

I read the manual and did some research online regarding the Driver Attention Monitor of the driver safety(picture of the coffee cup icon) on the driver's front panel right screen
scrolling menu option, and could not understand how to use it. Manual instruction is kind of confusing.
Can somebody reply back with instructions in how to use the driver safety (coffee cup icon) feature? Thanks!

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Can somebody reply back with instructions in how to use the driver safety (coffee cup icon) feature? Thanks!
Hi - I did find some decent info on this page -

My 2022 SI had this on it, too, and when I took longish highway drives, after a couple of hours, the attention monitor would display and suggest I needed to take a break. It wasn't all that clear to me why it was saying that, to be honest.

That linked page has this on what triggers it on the Integra -
"The Driver Attention Monitor analyzes steering inputs to determine if the vehicle is being driven in a manner consistent with drowsy or inattentive driving. If it determines that the vehicle is being driven in such a manner, it will display the degree of the driver’s attention on the driver information interface."

That's really about it, I think. You can set what type of alert you want. I think default is message display, beep, and steering wheel vibrates.

It'd be interesting to find out more about what data is uses and how it collects and saves it.
 

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Hi all,

Thanks for the reply WakeIntegraGuy. I read the car manual book and also went to Owner's manual that you mentioned.
There are so many requirements in order for the driver safety (coffee cup icon)feature to work and confusing instructions on the Integra.

On the manual book or the manual link states that:


For the Driver Attention Monitor to function:

  • The vehicle must be traveling above 25 mph (40 km/h).
  • The electric power steering (EPS) system indicator must be off.
How and where do you turn off the electric power steering (EPS) system indicator?

If anyone knows, please reply back. Thanks!

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Andrew
 

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I read that as “it can’t be disabled, but if there’s a problem with the power steering (steering light comes on) this feature won’t work”

In other words: if the steering light is on in the cluster, it might be telling you this feature is broken. But in general you can’t turn it off.
 

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It's ultimately a passive system. I just drove for over 24 hours in the span of two days and saw it dropped one bar. There were a couple times where the Lane Departure Warning popped up, so I'm sure it takes that into account. I used LKAS and ACC the entire time, so it really only popped up in construction zones where the lines weren't easily discernable. My guess is that if you're constantly departing from your lane, you will start to see the bars drop.
 

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You know, this exchange has got me thinking about "What is the purpose of this DAM?"

Yes, I can see some potential good if it let's you know that your driving attention may be fading and it's time to take a break. But, it seems the best way to know this is to use the human brain (and maybe watch the clock). I follow the 2-hour rule - if more than 2 hours go by, I figure it's time to stop at the next rest area.

So, I'd like to know, does the DAM provide data that gets saved back to the AcuraLink about your driving habits? And if you get into an accident, is this something your insurance company or police may get access to, to determine if you were at fault?

If it is saving data (and I have to believe it is), then where does it go and how do I get access to it? It seems to me that this should be something that I as owner of the vehicle should control.

Curious what others may think about this. 😀
 

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My guess is, the system is saving every KB of data about us and our vehicle. In that respect, it is like all the other data about our lives on the internet. We don't own it, nor control where it goes, or to whom. I tis the price we have to pay to get the "free" Acuralink.
 

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You know, this exchange has got me thinking about "What is the purpose of this DAM?"

Yes, I can see some potential good if it let's you know that your driving attention may be fading and it's time to take a break. But, it seems the best way to know this is to use the human brain (and maybe watch the clock). I follow the 2-hour rule - if more than 2 hours go by, I figure it's time to stop at the next rest area.
That's a good rule, but not all drivers use their brains :).

So, I'd like to know, does the DAM provide data that gets saved back to the AcuraLink about your driving habits? And if you get into an accident, is this something your insurance company or police may get access to, to determine if you were at fault?
Probably. With Data sharing enabled, Acura/Honda will certainly be getting that data. The Data Sharing setting pops up every time you start the car, and page 332 of the manual shows this:

You acknowledge and agree that any collection, use, sharing of data generated by your VEHICLE or your use of your VEHICLE, and your use of the HONDA SERVICES shall be subject to this AGREEMENT and any additional HONDA TERMS that may be specifically applicable to such HONDA SERVICES or data generation
So they don't say what they use it for, but if you have data sharing enabled to use AcuraLink, I'd expect Honda will have all the data about DAM, driving speeds, acceleration, speed limits, when the safety features activate, etc. They might not volunteer it to your insurance company, but I would expect if Honda gets sued over a crash they will absolutely use this to say you were speeding or driving unsafe or inattentive.

There's also a note on page 2 about EDR (Event Data Recorders) and law enforcement implications. That seems to be more about crashes - 30 seconds of data before a crash can be extracted. It sounds like it's there out of some consumer protection law, particularly this clause:

The data belongs to the vehicle owner and may not be accessed by anyone else except as legally required or with the permission of the vehicle owner
Keep in mind, that's just about the EDR data and they're probably telling you that because they have to. It doesn't say anything about what Honda collects over the air under the "Data Sharing" option.

If it is saving data (and I have to believe it is), then where does it go and how do I get access to it? It seems to me that this should be something that I as owner of the vehicle should control.

Curious what others may think about this. 😀
That's a great question. I'd read page 338 about information collection and storage. You'd probably have to write an email or otherwise make some official request to delete your info.

Personally I turned Data Sharing and AcuraLink off. It's "free" for a reason (they collect and mine your data). I don't find it very useful, so I choose not to share the data.
 

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Personally I turned Data Sharing and AcuraLink off. It's "free" for a reason (they collect and mine your data). I don't find it very useful, so I choose not to share the data.
Thanks for the good replies. And it was interesting that when I bought the car, the salesman made a point of getting me started with AcuraLink. I've since also decided to turn it off. And I just did a search for "data" in my pdf of the owner's manual, and can see there's quite a bit to be found there about it. Thanks again for your tips.
 

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Interesting discussion on DAM.

I watch Consumer Reports Talking Cars consistently and this is a regular subject for them because of their safety focus.

I would say that Honda added this because they have to. And it's not one of the best systems in production today. CR is high on Ford Blue Cruise, and GM Super Cruise because they use cameras, instead of steering wheel detection.

I'm a pretty private person, so I don't want my personal information being gathered. I have it all turned off too. Also, I will never own a Ring doorbell, LOL.
 
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