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Production values and amusement levels deliver, as per usual from Throttle House. YMMV in terms of what you take away here, but pretty much everything they cover has been discussed at length elsewhere. I am happy that they specifically made mention of the Canadian-spec Civic Si, though, as the content differences (heated seats, display, etc. etc. etc.) certainly do make a difference to me as a U.S. buyer, and I suspect I'm not alone.

 

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It's still weird how different the American Si and the Canadian Si are spec'd out. I agree with them that the Integra is a more appealing upgrade from the Si in the US compared to Canada.

It was also interesting that they pointed out the new Golf and how the Integra could be more appealing.

Side note The Integra is a "dirty little bastard" - James :ROFLMAO:
 

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Love throttle house and just watched it. While most of their points are fair, the bottom line comparison to the Civic Si (seats, stereo, badge) leaves out a pretty big difference: the hatch!
Agreed! They pointed it out initially but seemed to have lost sight of that by the end, saying the only two big differences were the seats and the stereo. (Which are admittedly big differences, but they aren't the only big differences.) Hatch availability is also a consideration, and I guess the dampers, though these two seem to put less of a premium on that. Others seem to value that difference though, especially if they find the Civic Si ride to be too harsh.

Has anyone outright said they love the Integra and thought it was a good value? Have we all made terrible mistakes?
Ask me when I find a readily-available Civic Si for MSRP and I'll get back to you on that.
 

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Has anyone outright said they love the Integra and thought it was a good value? Have we all made terrible mistakes?
I feel like this also warrants a more serious response. For me personally, under slightly different circumstances, the other serious contender would normally be the GTI. There's no question that it packs a bang-for-the-buck factor that warrants serious consideration, and I'd test drive one right now if I thought it would work for me. But sadly, that new infotainment system would probably drive me up a wall (figuratively, hopefully not literally); as someone who is already saddled with buggy/laggy infotainment and finicky touchscreen climate controls, I value the Integra's layout so, so much more in terms of livability. (But I also want heated seats and the bangin' stereo and the hatchback functionality, giving the Integra a leg up over the otherwise comparable Si.)

For anyone else that isn't me, I guess it depends. If you like going fast and are cool with the styling, the Elantra N is a great option, even with a modest markup. If you want AWD and are cool with the styling, maybe a WRX is the ticket. If you want an automatic, the world is your oyster. (I do try to remind myself that simply wanting a new car with a stick significantly narrows the field.)
 

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Has anyone outright said they love the Integra and thought it was a good value? Have we all made terrible mistakes?
If the Civic Si didn’t exist, it would be a good value. Not in performance, but as a whole package (particularly for usability and fuel economy). Of course, anytime you go towards premium/luxury you get less bang for your buck.
The name or image is probably enough to justify the price for most of their market. I like the Si, but my wife had an Integra and likes the idea of another one. She also thinks I’m too old to be seen in an Si, Hyundai N, etc. or at least doesn’t want 20 year olds trying to race us.
The hatch bears mentioning again. I would pay $2500 for a hatch option on the Si, so with the current markup, the Integra’s value isn’t far off. It also gives me more opportunities to drive it due to its versatility (biking, camping, etc.).
 

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Just watched this again (and forced my wife to watch it with me, heh). I'm actually very intrigued by the idea that they suggest the Accord as an alternative -- in and of itself, a seemingly very fine automobile, but one that is currently only available with a 10AT, and when they tested the 6MT version, they both kinda dogged the transmission.
 

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They never mentioned the civic Sport Touring Hatchback which is around 31k. Once again good luck finding a 6spd manual for MSRP . But this makes the gap closer while giving more premium in the Integra.
Very true, though I expect they would dock points for the lack of an LSD and the 20hp handicap on an already pokey engine.
 

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Has anyone outright said they love the Integra and thought it was a good value? Have we all made terrible mistakes?
To me the hatch, the Acura name, dampers and the more premium looks are all worth it. A luxury brand is hardly ever a good value and Integra has always been Civic based. Si vs Integra is a close call, both are great. Acura without any doubt provides a great option and the extra money they charge for it is well worth it in my opinion. Also in the current market, I would be surprised if you can actually get a Civic SI. If you look around you may find that they are harder to actually buy than an Acura.
 

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Also in the current market, I would be surprised if you can actually get a Civic SI. If you look around you may find that they are harder to actually buy than an Acura.
This! I looked around for an Si after I drove the Integra, thinking maybe I’d go that route, but was rebuffed. My main Honda dealer told me they had no new allocation and had a waitlist of several people ahead of me anyway. So the Integra suddenly became a sure bet!
 

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Looks pretty clear that they set us up with a tease on the Si, underequipped them to an uncomfortable level to push people upstream. There are no Si demos but lots of Integra demo cars out there. They quickly moved my deposit (last September) from the Honda to an Acura when it became clear no cars were coming any year soon, told me I have a much better chance to get the Integra this year. Drove the Integra, it’s nice but a bit of a boat and I prefer the look of the Honda by far.

So I’ve put new tires on my Gen 9 Si and looking to see what options might ever actually happen. Honda, Acura, who knows what interesting thing might come along.

Can’t really blame Honda/Acura for setting up a strategy to move owners up to “bigger and better”.
 

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Interestingly in Canada I think the Civic SI has the dual climate and a few other things, making the difference between it and the Integra be the adaptive dampers and the hatch only basically. So it's hard to say what Honda marketing dept. is thinking when releasing SI and the Integra. Its hard to say how much forethought goes into how to trim SI vs Integra. Maybe they expect that the Acura badge alone is worth 3-5k. Which is probably true for the most part.
 

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Interestingly in Canada I think the Civic SI has the dual climate and a few other things, making the difference between it and the Integra be the adaptive dampers and the hatch only basically. So it's hard to say what Honda marketing dept. is thinking when releasing SI and the Integra. Its hard to say how much forethought goes into how to trim SI vs Integra. Maybe they expect that the Acura badge alone is worth 3-5k. Which is probably true for the most part.
I totally understand the "entry into the brand" approach from Acura -- nearly all automakers do it -- but for someone like me who does not care at all about any prestige associated with the badge, it's a bit of a bummer. I just want a nicer Civic, dammit!

Seriously though, styling aside (which is subjective), if I could get an Si with comparable equipment (heated seats, dampers, full digital display, etc. etc.) and without a markup, I totally would, even if it were priced higher as a result. Bonus if I could get it as a hatch as well (again, disregarding my own personal styling preferences). The only Acura-specific thing I'm truly excited about is the ELS sound system, which I couldn't imagine they'd allow in the Civic, as it seems to be a brand exclusive.
 

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I totally understand the "entry into the brand" approach from Acura -- nearly all automakers do it -- but for someone like me who does not care at all about any prestige associated with the badge, it's a bit of a bummer. I just want a nicer Civic, dammit!

Seriously though, styling aside (which is subjective), if I could get an Si with comparable equipment (heated seats, dampers, full digital display, etc. etc.) and without a markup, I totally would, even if it were priced higher as a result. Bonus if I could get it as a hatch as well (again, disregarding my own personal styling preferences). The only Acura-specific thing I'm truly excited about is the ELS sound system, which I couldn't imagine they'd allow in the Civic, as it seems to be a brand exclusive.
At least the Civic SI comes with a Bose system. Honda finally caved and put something that is decent in one of their cars. The ELS system in my wife’s TLX (technology package) is night and day over my Accord’s system. I had a basic Bose system in my ‘92 Maxima - it was boomy, but still so much better than most of what was out there. The Acura Bose that came in my ‘92 Legend was much more accurate sounding so there definitely are different levels of Bose.
 

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Could you explain? Too big? Soft? Luxurious?
Not having driven it yet, my biggest concern is that the suspension will not be sporting enough (slow response, wallowy, etc).
The size holds the car back compared to something even a bit smaller. I have only had the one 30 minute test drive in a demo car that I was not going to push at all. It moved, turned and stopped well enough. But when I had to use a lower gear in some situations than with our Gen 9 Si it was disappointing. It is not a weak car by any measure but not getting me psyched to upgrade my present Si. On the sidelines for the moment, but if an actual car ever becomes available we’ll take a serious look.
 
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